need iformation on old diesels
#101
"If you put your finger over the venturi hole and turn the engine over a few times, does it draw fuel into the line? "
Yes, it does draw fuel into the line.
Yes, it does draw fuel into the line.
Last edited by beatsal; 12-05-2022 at 11:42 AM.
#102
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Diesel
So at least it's drawing in fuel then...
Set needle valve to 3 turns out from lightly nipped and retry to start engine.
3 turns out may be a bit rich so be prepared to turn it in maybe one turn. Half turns after this but 2 turns out may be toooo lean. It's a paw needle valve.
Good intentional strong flicks of the prop.....
If compression screw is backed out say half a turn, when the engine fires you may hear a click, the contra piston moving up to make contact with the compression screw....
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Set needle valve to 3 turns out from lightly nipped and retry to start engine.
3 turns out may be a bit rich so be prepared to turn it in maybe one turn. Half turns after this but 2 turns out may be toooo lean. It's a paw needle valve.
Good intentional strong flicks of the prop.....
If compression screw is backed out say half a turn, when the engine fires you may hear a click, the contra piston moving up to make contact with the compression screw....
Feedback feedback feedback.
#104
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Diesel
Do you have a hot air gun ?
Perhaps with all fuel removed from the engine, warm the engine enough so it not toooo hot to handle, not tooo hot but as long as it turns over, prime and try again....perhaps ?
A hot warm rather than a hot hot temperature if you get me....be carefull about the prop....
Perhaps with all fuel removed from the engine, warm the engine enough so it not toooo hot to handle, not tooo hot but as long as it turns over, prime and try again....perhaps ?
A hot warm rather than a hot hot temperature if you get me....be carefull about the prop....
#105
Thanks, will try this. Is it likely that the passages in the cylinder that take the mixture from the crankcase to the cylinder head get blocked, thereby causing a non-start. Wonder how many passages there are?
#113
I use a scale. Measure an exact volume and weigh it. Do the same for each component you’re mixing in. Do a little math, and you have a target weight for each component. Zero the scale with empty vessel. Add component 1 to the needed weight, and zero the scale. Add component 2, zero the scale, and so on until you have everything added. Put the cap on, shake, go fly.
#114
Will take a video. I am located in Toronto Canada. Yesterday I removed the top screw and when I flicked it did fire but just once. I mix the 3 ingredients in equal volumes - first kerosene then castor oil. I then use a tube on the John Deere can to bubble the ether thru the mixture. Noticed that it takes quite a while for the ether to bubble thru to show any volume.
#117
As strange as it may sound - after heating with a hair dryer it rotates for more turns on a single flick. Still does not pop. It popped yesterday just once when I removed the compr. screw and put some fuel into the top but not since. I wonder if the method of adding ether to the mix is not correct as I bubble it through the kerosene/castor and it hardly registers on the markings showing the volume.
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As strange as it may sound - after heating with a hair dryer it rotates for more turns on a single flick. Still does not pop. It popped yesterday just once when I removed the compr. screw and put some fuel into the top but not since. I wonder if the method of adding ether to the mix is not correct as I bubble it through the kerosene/castor and it hardly registers on the markings showing the volume.
- Fuel first: I'm assuming you are going by volume when you mix fuel since you are talking about fluid ounces. The basic mixture is 1/3 by volume each of ether, kerosene and castor oil. First I recommend that you put aside the fuel you already mixed since you can not be sure of what's in it. Start with an empty container. A graduated cylinder is very good, but anything that will let you see the fluid levels is acceptable at this point. Go outdoors, away from any sources of flames, sparks, etc as ether and propane are highly flammable. Squirt the JD starter fluid into the container first. That way you'll know exactly how much ether you have. The nice thing about JD Starting Fluid is that you end up with pure ether (plus trace amounts of lubricants) once you spray it out of the can. The 20% in the can is LPG which is used as propellant, and it readily evaporates as the liquid comes out of the can. Then, add the castor oil. Then, add the kerosene. All in 1/3 ratio per volume. Stir with a mixing stick. The fuel should be ready.
- Compression: From your description on the thread, it sounds like the compression is set too low. The propeller should not spin for a few turns with a flick, without a pop. I suspect the compression was borderline on the low side before you removed the comp screw, and when the engine popped once with no comp screw in place, the contrapiston moved further up, which resulted in even lower compression.
If you could make a video of your efforts, we may be more helpful.
Best of luck,
--Ates
#119
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Diesel
Hurrrrrah !
Signs of life with this engine at long last as it "popped", just the once but it popped !
Had you just unscrewed the compression screw one turn and it popped, you would have probably heard a "crack" sort of noise as the contra piston moved due to the engine popping with the contra piston rising and contacting the compression screw, thus limiting the amount of contra piston rise.
Sounds as if the contra piston has moved up, probably toooo much. I doubt if the contra piston has "popped out" but check just in case. Just remove the cylinder head to check.
So, next attempt, carefully screw the compression screw back in until it makes contact with the contra piston. Screw in compression screw quarter of a turn. Did it push the contra piston down any ?
I hope the thread in the cylinder head is in good condition and does not "shear"...
Try and start the engine again increasing compression a quarter of a turn at a time.
Do not over compress.
With some luck I expect the engine to burst into life.....on primes only for now.....feedback.
Signs of life with this engine at long last as it "popped", just the once but it popped !
Had you just unscrewed the compression screw one turn and it popped, you would have probably heard a "crack" sort of noise as the contra piston moved due to the engine popping with the contra piston rising and contacting the compression screw, thus limiting the amount of contra piston rise.
Sounds as if the contra piston has moved up, probably toooo much. I doubt if the contra piston has "popped out" but check just in case. Just remove the cylinder head to check.
So, next attempt, carefully screw the compression screw back in until it makes contact with the contra piston. Screw in compression screw quarter of a turn. Did it push the contra piston down any ?
I hope the thread in the cylinder head is in good condition and does not "shear"...
Try and start the engine again increasing compression a quarter of a turn at a time.
Do not over compress.
With some luck I expect the engine to burst into life.....on primes only for now.....feedback.
#123
You will have a request for access to your video. Perhaps change the permissions for access to that video if you don’t want to have everyone having to request access.
#124
You are “lazy flipping” it. You need to really snap it when you’re flipping it. Give it a few ‘smart’ flips with a good prime and it should fire provided the compression setting is close.
#125
If I squirt the JD ether directly, won't it evaporate immediately? Presently I bubble it through the mix of kerosene and castor.
I there a way to get stronger flicks - someone mentioned chicken finger?
I there a way to get stronger flicks - someone mentioned chicken finger?